10 things you need to know when driving in Metro Manila

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QUEZON CITY, METRO MANILA — For first-time drivers in the metro, here are some helpful tips that you ought to know to drive wisely in the road, according to Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) chairman Francis Tolentino.

The list is published by MMDA to educate drivers and motorists of their rights and to know what an enforcer must or must not do. The MMDA encourages drivers to print out a copy and place it in the vehicle for easy reference.

1. MMDA enforcers are not allowed two work in groups of two, especially when apprehending a motorist, except for special operations like running after colorum buses.

2. Swerving or changing lanes is not a traffic violation. But it becomes a reckless offense if done carelessly and without the use of hand signals. A list of traffic violations and penalties is also available at the MMDA website.

3. Private vehicles cannot use the yellow lanes in EDSA except when they are about to turn, provided that they started shifting lanes using the transition lanes some 50 meters away from an intersection. Only city buses are allowed to use the yellow lanes (first and second lanes in EDSA) while provincial buses must use the third lane.

4. Before apprehending, the traffic enforcer should flag down the vehicle and lead it to the roadside where it will not obstruct traffic. The traffic enforcers should courteously inform the driver of his violation.

5. Traffic Enforcers are not allowed to ask drivers to alight from their vehicles during apprehension for a violation. Most importantly, traffic enforcers must not ask or receive bribe money.

6. A driver’s license cannot be confiscated by a traffic enforcer during apprehensions unless you commit administrative violations or are involved in a traffic accident that require attending a minimum two-hour of seminar at the Traffic Academy.

When your license is confiscated, the enforcer must inform you of the reason and ticket validity. Refusal to surrender your driver’s license can result in the detachment of your plate.

7. Apprehended drivers can ask the traffic enforcer’s mission order from the MMDA Central Admin Office. The order includes his area of responsibility, time of duty, official function and whether he is authorized to issue tickets.

8. Traffic enforcers should issue a traffic violation receipt (TVR) in complete uniform, with visible nameplates, and without delay or argument on the road.

The enforcer can issue another TVR for the towing fee. If the owner of the impounded vehicle fails to release his vehicle after payment of the fine, the officer shall issue a separate TVR indicating the number of days the vehicle remained at the impound area.

9. When apprehended, a driver can show these valid IDs: plastic card ID, temporary driver’s license, temporary operator’s permit, international driver’s license, and foreign license.

10. Know the MMDA hotlines and contact details to report erring personnel. To report duty violations of MMDA traffic enforcers, report his name and submit a complaint within five days of the apprehension to the Traffic Adjudication Board (TAB), MMDA Bldg. Edsa cor. Orense St. Guadalupe Nuevo, Makati City.

You can also e-mail complaints against erring enforcers to email@mmda.gov.ph and attach photos or videos and details of the incident.

When involved in an argument with an enforcer, call or text the MMDA hotline 136. Or contact the Metrobase at 0917-5618711 to send inspectors where the argument is occurring for investigation.

Vice President Jejomar Binay Finally allowed by the Chinese to visit Beijing

MANILA, Philippines - After being initially turned down, China has finally agreed to allow Vice President Jejomar Binay to visit Beijing. This is a last ditch effort to salvage the lives of three Filipino OFWs who are set to be executed due to drug trafficking in China.

The message was relayed through the Philippine Embassy in Beijing, stating China's readiness to receive vice president Binay.

The vice president will leave Friday morning at 7:15 a.m. and is set to meet up with the president of the Supreme Court and the Chinese Executive vice foreign minister on Saturday.

It may be recalled that earlier today, Binay's request was denied by China. China stated that the vice president's visit would be inappropriate at this time.

Two Filipino OFWs are set to die by lethal injection this Monday in Xiamen while another is scheduled for Tuesday in Shenzhen.

The Ultimate Fighter Philippines!! Watch out!!

Dana White Says 'The Ultimate Fighter Philippines' Will Be the Start of TUF's Global Expansion

Mark Munoz, after training with Boxing Champ, Nonito Donaire -- Could he be a coach for the upcoming "The Ultimate Fighter Philippines"?

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For years now, Dana White has been talking about a global expansion for their long running reality show, The Ultimate Fighter. He's talked about bringing the show to Brazil, Canada, and even Abu Dhabi for the longest time, and while most people thought the UFC president was just talking about his grand plans and pipe dreams, it looks like it is finally going to happen. On the UFC 127 and UFC 129 conference call (Transcribed by Sherdog), White talked about bringing the show to Asia on 2011, with the first host country being the Philippines:

"The Ultimate Fighter is gonna start airing in every country. We’re gonna start doing ‘The Ultimate Fighter UK’, ‘The Ultimate Fighter Canada', ‘The Ultimate Fighter Philippines’. We’re doing it everywhere."

"This year. I’m pretty sure the first one’s probably gonna be the Philippines."

The Ultimate Fighter has been one of the longest running reality shows in America, and it has successfully produced a myriad of UFC stars. Aside from the sudden jolts of fan interest on seasons featuring guys like Kimbo Slice, and now Brock Lesnar, the general perception on The Ultimate Fighter though is a bit bleak. Most think that after more than 12 seasons, the format is getting stale and the talent pool of 'TV friendly' fighters is thinning. This though, isn't where the international edition of TUF is lacking.

Outside of the United States, there is an untapped market for MMA, and with the massive marketing machine that is The Ultimate Fighter, Dana White knows he can create and develop new stars from the international talent pool:

"What’s happening is, as this sport becomes more popular in all these different countries now, there’s a lot more talent coming up. Believe me, there’s a lot of guys out there that are coming up. We’re doing nothing but cultivating new talent."

No official date has been announced for the 2011 debut of TUF Philippines, but BloodyElbow.com has been informed that while there are details that are still needed to be ironed out, the legwork is already being done and they are confident that it will be finalized soon.

UFC officials have been talking to ABS-CBN, the host network which has a TV deal with the UFC, for months now, and sources close to the URCC, the Philippines' top MMA promotion, have also told us that the head of UFC Asia has already set up meetings with the URCC brass to possibly talk about the participation of some of the top Filipino fighters in the show.

The UFC has made plans of hosting a show in the Philippines before, even sending Brandon Vera and Chuck Liddell on separate promotional tours to the country a few years back. Both events were huge successes with both fighters being swarmed by several thousand Filipino MMA fans, but plans didn't push through with Dana White citing "sponsorship problems" during the global financial crisis. Now, with the steadying economy, and the still growing rabid fanbase - as evidenced by Georges St. Pierre's visit to the Philippines - the country could be ready once again for a UFC invasion. The first step, The Ultimate Fighter Philippines.

Source: TUF Philippines

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We do have a lot of great fighters here in the Philippines, We have Edward Folayang, Froilan Sarenas, Sabah "The Persian Warrior" Fadai who recently won as the Martial Combat champion, Former light heavy champ Caloy Baduria and a lot more.

One question is, who will gonna be the coaches?

Alvin Aguilar? or UFC will bring Mark Munoz and Brandon Vera to coach the TUF Philippines?

I really hope this one will pushes thru, so pinoy fighters can step up and fight in the Octagon.

Banning of Plastic will not gonna help US. RECYCLING is the answer!!

Making do without plastic On a weekend afternoon at the Festival Mall in Alabang, Muntinlupa, shoppers adjust to a small, but basic, change in their routine. City Ordinance 10-109 banning the use of plastic bags has taken effect earlier that week.

Shoppers have to put their purchases in the bags they have brought from home or buy reusable bags that don’t come cheap. Supermarket customers have the option of having their goods put in boxes.

Buyers and sellers alike cope with the change in varying degrees of success. The ban on plastic bags is not a novel concept. More advanced countries, especially European ones, have been practicing it for years.

Singapore has its bring-your-own-bag day. Generally, shoppers have to pay for plastic bags if they insist on using them. The objective is to lessen the amount of plastic used and thrown into the trash. Plastics are non-biodegradable and emit greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

The high level of greenhouse gases, in turn, is responsible for global warming and the resulting climate change. While the Philippines is a low carbon emitter compared to other countries, the widespread use of plastic materials still do us immediate harm. Our mountains of trash, for instance, contain plastics that block our waterways and worsen the flooding that we have to contend with. *** A sheet of paper bearing salient points of the ordinance is printed in color, laminated and put on display at the entrance of a clothing store at the mall.

“Where do I put my shirt if I decide to buy one from you?” I ask. “Your bag is big, ma’am,” says the male store clerk, in Tagalog. “Surely it will fit there.” I next talk to a bookstore cashier. “Oh we just don’t wrap purchases of our customers anymore,” she says, a bit apologetically. She points to a man who has just bought three ball point pens. “See? We just hand him the receipt and he puts the pens in his pocket.” I try to be insistent.

What if I buy a dozen notebooks, I tell her, and I’m only carrying a purse? The bookstore clerk pulls out a big, red fishnet bag from underneath her seat. “Then you can get this bag for only P65. The great thing is that you can use it every time you shop.” All the plastic bags in the fiery red that the bookstore is known for are still stacked on shelves below the cashier’s wrapping area. I wonder how the store would get rid of those. “Can’t you really spare me a plastic bag? I don’t want to buy this fishnet thing,” I ask, pointing to the stack of unused plastics. The girl starts being impatient. “Ma’am, if I do that, my manager will be penalized.” I am led next to a kiosk selling branded chicharon—by my nose, more than by any strategic plan on how to work the mall.

I saw that the cooked stuff was packed and sealed in a transparent plastic container. I ask the vendor what will happen if I decide to buy: would he pry open the seal and transfer the chicharon to a paper bag? He smiles. “Of course not. The freshness will go away. This kind of plastic is allowed,” he volunteers, pointing to the transparent container. I am not a woman of science and neither, I suspect, is he, so I decide against asking him to explain why this particular kind of plastic was “allowed.”

However, instead of putting the purchased chicharon in a sando bag upon purchase, he put it inside a brown paper bag. Residents of Muntinlupa City had one year to prepare themselves for the transition. The ordinance was passed in January of 2010, when it was also determined that the local law would be implemented January 18 this year. It appeared to me, too, that sellers in the mall had been briefed well by their employers about the ban.

Well, almost all of them. I approached the take-out countcfber of a popular local fastfood chain and asked where they would put my food if I decide to have it taken out. “In a plastic bag, of course,” beamed the takeout crew, a short, happy-looking young man. I was perplexed. “But won’t you charge me extra for the plastic bag? Aren’t they banned in this city?” Mr. Jolly seemed amused at my sense of compliance.

He said, “Sa iba lang ho bawal yang plastic na yan. Dito sa amin, pwedeng pwede (It’s only others than ban plastic bags. Here with us, they’re okay).” Roselyn, a thirty something working mom who lives in Barangay Alabang, says she was not aware of the one-year “adjustment/phaseout” period given to residents and businesses to get used to the idea. “But of course, I understand what it is for, so I don’t mind. I am only too happy to comply.”

She worries though how other residents of the city would react to the ordinance if it were suddenly sprung upon them and they don’t know exactly why such is being done. “I have not been to the public market recently but my mother has, just this morning, and she came back with colored sando bags containing her purchases,” she adds.

Indeed, the ban may have been easier to implement in the malls because businesses generally want to show that they are earth-friendly and law-abiding. But what about those who have become so used to using plastics? She wonders, for instance, how sellers of meat and fish in the wet market can adjust to the ordinance. Where will they put their sold goods?

They cannot use the permitted kind of plastic, or a special type of paper, which would likely be more expensive. “I think the local government needs to work harder on alternatives for these very small, mom-and-pop businesses, as well as for ordinary folk who use plastics to gather their kitchen trash, not out of apathy to the environment but out of habit.”

*** At Festival, the change is apparent by the end of the first week of the implementation of the ban. More people are carrying paper bags and even look proud doing so. Those pushing carts from the grocery into the parking lot use boxes and bags as well.

We have no idea what goes on in areas that are less informed. Education thus needs to be sustained, especially since the ban is not a fad or passing fancy but a long-term attempt to change people’s perception and habits.

It is easy to announce the implementation of a ban but the tougher gauge—whether people understand what it is for and whether they comply because they understand despite the inconvenience of changing their habits —is not as easily available. The local government also has to make sure that businesses comply regardless of their profitability, tax contribution to the city and owners’ connections that may embolden them to think they are beyond the reach of the ordinance.

Finally, while the present crop of officials at city hall deserve credit for their political will in implementing the ban, in no way should they act as though they had a copyright to this great initiative.

In fact, the challenge is how to maintain the zeal and consistency in influencing the public’s habits across different administrations, over time.

Then again, this is only Muntinlupa. I wonder whether other cities and municipalities are coming up with a similarly worthy move one of these days.


This was written by adellechua@gmail.com

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I just wanna quote that last phrase in RED, before Muntinlupa. Paete, Laguna implemented the total banning of plastic bag usage.

I actually debated to one of the Councilor, that banning of plastic is not gonna really help. WHY?

There are some instances that we really need to use plastic bags like for example, buying a fresh meat from the wet market, buying tofu's etc. etc.

So, getting these stuffs will be needing plastic bags because this products are most of the time are fresh / wet.

So, on that case, banning of plastic is already not effective. So this is just another Publicity stunt for them. We call it "Pogi Points".

Proper waste disposal and Proper waste segregation is the answer, not banning the usage of plastic bags.

If we can properly dispose it, then we can recycle it.. That's the answer. I hope these "politicians" will be using their heads the next time they implement a ruling / ordinances.


RECYCLING IS THE ANSWER!!!!!



a cool discussion from MCP

Banning of plastics in Muntinlupa

Happy, Yipee, Yehey! Versus Eat Bulaga

By Ed Sicam

Two blogs ago, I wrote that ABS-CBN’s new noontime show, “Happy, Yipee, Yehey!,” (it premiered last Saturday) would have a difficult time dislodging GMA-7’s more established “Eat Bulaga” from its number one position. On Monday, February 14, I sat through two hours and 15 minutes of “HYY” and these are my observations.

The show started with images straight out of Willie Revillame’s “Wowowee”: Dancing girls in red (in keeping with Valentine’s Day), the hosts, almost a dozen of them, rushing in and dancing to the theme song, the audience being fired up to join the merriment, and finally some audience members going onstage to dance one by one and getting P500-P2,000 for their effort.

The opening segment was a “Wowowee” trademark that “Eat Bulaga” also copied, then dropped after a while. I suppose it was meant to get viewers in the studio and at home excited about the show. The “HYY” song was not as catchy as the “Wowowee” signature tune.

Next came the first game. Assorted items like toothbrush, lunch box, broom, etc were hidden in three display cases and covered by curtains. Contestants had to locate the desired item when the curtains were drawn. It was like finding a needle in a haystack except the items were much bigger. It started with 12 contestants until only one remained for the jackpot prize of P50,000.

For this, he had to find five items in one minute. The finalist got one item wrong but with host Mariel Rodriguez’s help, he was able to replace it with the right one. I thought that was unfair. As a TV game, this did not register well on the screen as the camera could not catch the action for the viewers to appreciate.

Deviating from the games, “HYY” presented a spoof of the primetime drama “Mara Clara”: about babies switched at birth that was not funny at all. The usual slapstick elements--guys dressed as girls, overacting talents, exaggerated fight scenes—did not tickle my funny bone. This was followed by a musical number featuring Matteo Gudicelli and Maja Salvador. Matteo has the potential to make it as a singer.

Then the biggest prize being offered that day was announced P100,000, if the contestant could shoot a small ball into a goldfish bowl from about ten feet away. It reminded me of “Minute to Win It,’ a US game show featuring challenges using ordinary objects. I understand Solar is going to do a local version. An elderly woman was given three chances to win the top prize but she failed and got a consolation prize of P10,000.

If “Eat Bulaga” has its “Juan for All’ where the program gives away money to a lucky household outside the studio, “HYY” has “Ikaw Ang Bida” where a contestant is chosen at random. Last Monday, “HYY” went to Marikina where the first person to buy roses from a chosen flower shop got to join the contest.
The lucky person then had to undergo several tasks to win the top prize of P50,000. For the final task, the chosen one, a guy had to put on lipstick and kiss 10 girls on the brow in one minute. This was an easy task as there were school girls in the audience willing to be kissed. The guy won the top prize. Unlike “Juan for All” where a lucky household won large amounts without joining a contest, “Ikaw ang Bida” only had one winner and he needed to complete several tasks.

In another game where the hosts were the contestants, they had to transfer a coin using only their brow to pass it on to the next person. Again, this was something that “EB” did where hosts competed against each other in different games.

Of the many hosts on the show, the ones that created an impression on me were Toni Gonzaga, who maintained her vivacious persona throughout the show and Mariel, who was just as kikay as Toni. The guys, John Estrada and Randy Santiago, were not impressive. Hasn’t the network learned from previous shows where John and Randy were co-hosts? Didn’t they cancel the shows these two hosted? Repartee is one of the ways John and Randy can improve their hosting. The writers have to come up with something more kwela for them to say. Bentong has a funny face but the writers have to give him something funny to do.

Overall, I would say that “HYY” is much better than “Pilipinas Win na Win” but needs to come up with really inventive and unique ideas to compete with “EB.” Introducing games that involve more contestants is also a way to distribute more prizes that will attract a bigger audience. Of course, what I monitored was just the second show. It will take several months before we can judge its competitive strength.

Photo by Voltaire Domingo, NPPA Images

Source: Yahoo blog of Ed Sicam

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Well, Sir Ed Sicam and me almost has the same observation.

Here's some of my thoughts

HYY is trying hard to be a noontime show.

Most of the concepts are actually from Willie Revillame's defunct show "Wowowee" and GMA 7's Eat Bulaga.

Well, we can't blame them, some of the writers are still working on abs-cbn.

As we know, that the benchmark of noontime shows here in the Philippines is Eat Bulaga, so probably most of the new comers will actually get a concept and they will just change it for the people will not gonna recognize it. But still, it came from EB.

Pera o bayong AFAIK was from pepe pimentel's Kwarta o Kahon

EB's version was Meron o wala.

There's a lot of noontime shows that abs-cbn handled, Magandang Tanghali Bayan, Sang Linggo Na Po Sila (before ASAP, There was Sa Linggo na po sila) and Eat Bulaga was also a former abs-cbn, but the rumors was, abs-cbn wants to "BUY" Eat Bulaga, so they are forced to jump into another Channel which is GMA-7.

A little trivia, before GMA-7, EB was in Abs-Cbn. But before ABS, Eat Bulaga was aired at RPN 9.

Lastly, we can't actually blame them for "robbing" the concepts of a noontime show, because even thou it's "their" intellectual property, it's not registered to them.

As far as i know, i still stand that Eat Bulaga, is "their" Benchmark for noontime show concepts.

Death Penalty, Drugs, Quirino Grandstand and the Chinese Government

These past few days we already heard the new about the 3 Pinoy's who will be executed by the Chinese government for their drug cases.

Vice President Jejomar Binay will personally appeal for the 3 Filipino's who was guilty for drug trafficking. And the Chinese Government said that they did a fair trial for the said 3.

Here's the complete report for that;

Difficult to have China’s death sentences on 3 Filipinos commuted—DFA

By Jerry E. Esplanada
Philippine Daily Inquirer First Posted 18:34:00 02/16/2011 Filed Under: Illegal drugs, Foreign affairs & international relations, Crime and Law and Justice

MANILA, Philippines—The death sentences meted by the Supreme People's Court in Beijing to three suspected Filipino drug traffickers are "difficult... to overturn," according to the Department of Foreign Affairs.

DFA Undersecretary Esteban Conejos Jr. told reporters on Wednesday there were cases in China in which foreign nationals, including those from the United Kingdom, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore, Pakistan, Mongolia, and Afghanistan were executed for drug trafficking.

Under Chinese law, smuggling of 50 grams or more of heroin or equivalent drugs is punishable by 15 years in prison, life imprisonment or death, according to Conejos.

Two of the three Filipinos on death row were each caught by Chinese authorities carrying more than 4,100 grams of heroin, while the third one was apprehended with 6,800 grams of heroin.

But Conejos said the government was not giving up yet.

"Where there's life, there's hope...President Aquino gave very clear and very ringing instructions to us. We will not leave any stone unturned."

Conejos said, "We will continue our representations with concerned Chinese authorities to try to secure the commutation of the death sentence to life imprisonment."

The government has been doing its part "in a confidential, high level and low key manner," he said.

"We're continuing our representations as we speak in Manila, in our embassy in Beijing and our consulates in Xiamen and Guangdong, where the executions are scheduled to be held... We appeal to them in the spirit of humanitarian consideration," he said.

Conejos asserted "all we're asking is not complete exoneration (of the cases) but commutation of the sentence to life imprisonment."

He recalled that in August, "the President already wrote (Chinese President Hu Jintao) for the commutation of the sentence."

Foreign Affairs Secretary Alberto Romulo earlier wrote his Chinese counterpart, Yang Jiechi, requesting him to intercede on behalf of the Filipinos.

"In Manila, we have called the Chinese ambassador many times and made representations for the reduction of the sentence. In Beijing, our embassy has called local and national officials again for the commutation of the death sentence. In Xiamen and Guangdong, our consulates also approached their counterparts seeking the commutation of the sentence," Conejos disclosed.

Conejos clarified the DFA did not start moving only now.

"Immediately at every stage of the judicial proceedings of this case, from investigation to trial to appeal to final review before the Supreme People's Court in Beijing, our three nationals were represented by competent lawyers... Our embassy provided legal and consular assistance to our nationals," he said.

Conejos said he was not sure if the government efforts would succeed. "But we will not stop until we're able to attain what we want to achieve," he said.

Two of the three Filipinos on death row are scheduled to be executed next Monday (February 21) in Xiamen, while the third one will follow the next day in Guangdong, "all by lethal injection."

The three on death row are the following:

* Ramon Credo, 42 and a father of five children, was arrested on Dec. 28, 2008 at Gaoji International Airport in Xiamen after getting off a China Southern Airlines flight from Manila.

A total of 4,113 grams of heroin were found in his luggage.

He was formally charged with drug smuggling on Jan. 21, 2009. He is detained at the Xiamen No. 1 Detention House.

* Sally Villanueva, 32, has two kids.

She was apprehended on Dec. 24, 2008, also at Gaoji International Airport in Xiamen, after getting off a China Southern Airlines flight from Manila.

She was carrying 4,410 grams of heroin concealed inside her silver-colored suitcase.

Villanueva was formally changed with drug smuggling on Jan. 23, 2009. She is also detained at Xiamen No. 1 Detention House.

* Elizabeth Batain is 38. She was arrested on May 25, 2008 at the Shenzhen airport after getting off an Asiana Airlines flight from Kuala Lumpur. Found in her possession were 6,800 grams of heroin "sealed inside two reams of bond paper inside her luggage."

She was formally charged with drug trafficking on June 30, 2009.

Batain is detained at Shenzhen No. 3 Detention House.

Source: http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20110216-320620/Difficult-to-have-Chinas-death-sentences-on-3-Filipinos-commutedDFA

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Ok let's break it down, The Chinese will be executing 3 Filipino's because of drug trafficking
Philippines has a lot of Chinese detainees because of drug trafficking.

The Chinese Government doesn't want to accept the appeals made by DFA.
They said that the ruling is already final.

Is the Chinese Government still angry because of what happened in Quirino Grandstand?
Do you think that Vice President Jejomar Binay will make the Chinese change their minds?

I think President Noynoy Aquino should bring back the Death Penalty so we can also execute drug traffickers and notorious criminals in our Country.

But i still hope that these ruling about the execution is not connected with regards to Quirino Grandstand hostage taking.

I hate these corrupt officials gone wild.

Marlboro Roadtrip 2011

Hey riders, Marlboro Roadtrip is here once again to give you a once in a lifetime "all expense paid" trip.

Marlboro Roadtrip held their Pre Registration party at Metro Bar last Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 and it was attended by a staggering 1000 riders from Metro Manila.

Foods was superb, together with their lovely and hot models and ofcourse ITCHYWORMS.

Requirements are; rider should have valid drivers license with restriction number 1, photocopy of OR and CR together with their license, full body picture, full body picture with motorcycle with its plate number and 1x1 picture.

They also discussed the technical specs of the motorcycle to be use on the event.
This time, they are a lot stricter. They want motorcycles to be "all stock" if you want to join the Event of the year. (well, its the event of the year for me).

Me and my clubmates attended their Party and also i saw a lot of familiar faces, forumers from MCP, ride buddies and a lot more.

They also give free"smokes" for the smokers and a free key chain if you try their game.

All in all, nice party, excited to join, gorgeous and hot models. Superb Foods!!!

This event is handled by cozoz events.

for inquiries you can email them at cozoz.roadtrip@gmail.com

Last submission of entries will be this coming Feb 20, 2011.

to view the discussion of Marlboro Roadtrip click this link